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Thursday, September 15, 2005

The Great Prison Panty Rebellion of Alabama

I have a confession to make.
I do not wear panties.

As I understand it one in three other women follow this sort of lawless drawerless dress code as well.

I haven't worn them since my first pregnancy when my OBGYN informed me of the many good reasons for not doing so. I also find them uncomfortable.

My mother doesn't wear them either. She hasn't since I told her about all the things my OBGYN said years ago.

There.
It's out.

Now, I know some of you are saying,

"LORETTA!, I don't believe I'd'a told that. That is more than we ever wanted to know about our gubernatorial candidate or her mother. Explain yourself at once!"

Well, I never thought I would have to share that little tidbit with the public. I would have preferred to keep it to myself, truth be known, but what happened today as a result of this pantiless Alabama tribe was so beyond the pale that I have to share it with you.

If you have followed my career in drug policy reform you have likely heard the story of my brother, Randy. In brief, (in case you haven't heard it and don't have time to read the above referenced material) Randy is a career alcoholic. This has led him to become frequent a resident of the Alabama Department of Corruptions. All of his crimes are non-violent and they are all alcohol related.

He is serving time now on an alcohol related charge.

So today September 4, 2005 after many weeks of planning and schedule arranging, I drove my mother and my oldest brother (a disabled Airborne Ranger and combat veteran) to see Randy at Elmore Correctional Facility which is just outside of Montgomery.

Incidentally, it is also in the broadcasting area of "The Morning Show" which I often co-host with Roberta Franklin. I hear we are very popular at Elmore Correctional and other prisons within our listening area around the state. I was really looking forward to this visit not only for being able to see Randy but also to meet some of the people who listen to the show on a regular basis in person. Since it has just been revealed that Drug & Alcohol Convicts Can VOTE in Alabama! I wanted to do a little campaigning among people who would likely get very excited about the possibility of being released, having their records erased and so forth.

I considered from the outset of this trip that there might be trouble because of the show and my prison reform work but thought...."Nah...Surely not."

It had been a while since we were able to make the trip and Randy had been transferred from Limestone Correctional Facility since the last visit.

We drove down a winding country road surrounded by large vegetable gardens in various stages of harvest, cow pastures with lots of passive cows mooing softly and small rural homes.

Eventually we came to a sprawl of ugly, yellow, corrugated steel buildings, many covered with rust, surrounded by chain link fencing topped with concertina wire.
It was a really ugly blight on an otherwise beautiful landscape.

When we arrived there was nowhere clearly marked as "Visitor Parking". There was a dusty lot strewn with chunks of broken pavement and a lot of cars were parked in it, but I wanted to make certain that it wasn't an employee lot. Best not to run afoul of the guards if it can be avoided.

A guard, dressed in a policeman-style uniform bearing the Alabama D.O.C. logo, was standing outside the guard shack which consisted of a squat cinder block building painted an awful eye-hurting booger green color. It was surrounded on three sides by the same razor wire topped fencing as the rest of this miserable hole.

I rolled down my window and asked him if this was the proper lot to park in.

He looked at me like that was the most ludicrous question he had ever heard and gave me a dismissive wave of his hand.

I took that to mean, "yes this is the proper lot" and parked the car.

We weren't sure what we would be allowed to take in with us but left what we knew would be problematic (cell phones, keys) in the car. We go into the guard shack and present our I.D.'s to the guards behind the desk and they proceed to cross-reference us with information in their computer database.

The guard at the computer said, "Oh..so this is your first time visiting here...Randy will be glad to see you."

"Yes, and we will be glad to see him too. It's been a while."

There were two female guards in the shack conducting the visitor searches. One of them informed us that shorts were not allowed and of course my brother was wearing shorts. Knee-length khaki shorts, very respectable, if you know what I mean.

This was upsetting, as it was obvious they were not going to let him in and we had driven over two hours to get there. As I noted earlier, my brother is disabled and has lots of things that make it almost impossible for him to sit or stand for any extended period of time.

I asked if there was a Wal-Mart or something similar nearby that would be open on Sunday morning. Many businesses in Alabama still operate under "Blue Laws".

One of the guards told me there was one in Wetumpka, which was a good 18 miles away and that was the closest one. So, despite it being a real inconvenience to us we got back into our car and headed to find Wal-Mart.

As it turns out the nearest one was some seven miles closer and in a different town.

Getting proper clothing for my brother cost me $31.97 that I really did not have to spend. It was worth it to me though, because my brothers have always been very close and both were very excited about the day. Also, you just can't beat a good pair of overalls.

After that was done we head back to the prison and back into the guard shack. We were told to leave our purses, any tobacco products, lighters, paper money, hats and everything but our trunk key in the car.

While I went back out to place all of these items in the trunk my mother and brother were searched.

When I re-entered the building my brother was nowhere in sight and my mother was sitting on the couch looking upset. One of the female guards asked me "Are you with her?"

"Yes. She is my mother."

"Well, she can't go in and visit."

"What? Why?"

The guard looked at me with such disdain as in "How dare you question me CIVILIAN!" and said, "Because she isn't wearing panties."

As you can guess I was completely flabbergasted and decided after a second that I must have misunderstood what she said.

"I'm sorry...what did you say?"

"Because she isn't wearing panties."

I felt a fit of mad, cackling laughter coming over me at the absurdity of what was taking place. But I held it in and said,

"And why is that a problem? No one is going to be checking to see whether or not my mother is wearing panties while we are visiting my brother. She is wearing pants. (I could see this rule coming in to play if one were wearing a dress). What is the purpose of that rule?"

"It is just our rules. We don't owe you an explanation."

"I think you do because no rules are posted on your website about visits nor do you give inmates a set of rules to pass along to their families and looking around in here I see a bunch of rules posted but "Mandatory Panties" is not among them. This has never been a problem on previous visits to the Alabama Department of Corrections."

"Those are our rules."

My mom could tell I was about to lose my temper and so she said "It's okay (although she looked as though she were about to cry). You and John go ahead and I'll wait out here."

Then my mother looks at the prison guard and asks if it is okay to sit on the couch in the reception room while she waits for us. It was brutally hot outside but nice and cool in the shack.

"No. You are not allowed to be in here."

Mom to me, "Well I guess I'll just wait out here in the car till y'all are done."

Guard: "No you won't. In fact, you have to leave state property altogether. If you aren't visiting you must leave."

Now, my mother is a meek, sweet, tiny little Christian woman who has a mortal fear of driving in strange places. She will not drive in large cities, or on four lane highways if she can get out of it and having never been to this area of Alabama before today I wasn't about to allow them to send her off to get lost and add further frustration to this already unbelievable day.

I told them about my mother's fear of driving in strange places and a different female guard said she would direct her to a service station up the road.

I relented and the two of them left the building.

I stood around and waited to be searched. The pro-panty guard stood beside me but did not motion for me to enter the search room. After a few minutes the other guard came back in.

She looked at me and told me I was free to go on in and visit my brother. And I almost did. I almost walked through that door UNSEARCHED but then I thought that if they discovered I had not been searched after I had gotten through then they would search me (as in body cavity) as well as my brother and I did not want that to happen.

So I said, "You're sure I'm free to go on in?"

Both guards in unison, "Yes"

"But, I haven't been searched."

They both looked at each other and said, "I thought she searched you."

It reminded me of two little kids simultaneously pointing their finger at each other to avoid accepting responsibility and being disciplined when they know they have really fouled up.

"No. Neither of you have searched me."

They look at each other for a moment and one of them gestures for me to enter the search room. Unfortunately, this was the same pro-panty guard that searched my mother.

"First, take off your shoes and show me the bottom of your feet."

"Now, lift up your bra and shake it out."

"Now, show me the top of your panties."

Uh Oh! In all of the clamor about my mother not wearing drawers I had forgotten that I don't wear them either.

I begin to wonder if this day will ever end.

"It just dawned on me that I am not wearing any panties either."

"Look, my brother who is disabled and can hardly stand on his own and is without his cane because you wouldn't let him take it in, needs myself or my mother in there with him. He falls a lot."

"I am not going to go charging through the door announcing
"Hey Boys...I'm not wearing any panties" so no one is going to know aside from you. We have come a long way and I have already driven 25 additional miles and spent $30 that I didn't have to spend so that my brother would have proper attire. If I have to leave again then visiting time will be over by the time I get back. I haven't seen my brother in a long time and do not know when I will be able to make this trip again. Do the right thing and let us visit him."

She didn't even consider it.

"You'll have to leave state property."

I proceeded to the desk and asked the guard to return my license.
He looked up at me as said "So you aren't going to visit today?"

"No, but not because we didn't show up, but because you supposedly have rules in place that you neither post on the internet, nor distribute to inmates to pass along to family members nor do you have this particular one posted in your guard shack on the wall with all of the other rules. That leads me to believe that no such rule exists and I will be demanding a copy of the current rules and codes on Tuesday morning. If that rule isn't in there then you better hope you can convince the Commissioners office to print you an altered one real quick like or there is going to be serious trouble."

I really lost it at this point, but held onto my tongue until I was out the door. My mom was still outside with the other female guard because she had lost the car in the parking lot. You can imagine how she would have fared if she had gone driving away on strange roads.

I told her what happened in an extremely loud voice so that guards and prisoners alike could hear me.

"Mom it seems these people are unaware that we, the taxpayers, are the ones who pay their salaries. They also seem unaware that we, the taxpayers, are actually the owners of this property. It is unconscionable that our own employees should treat us in this manner especially considering that these female guards did not search me until I pointed out to them that they had not done so. I think I should dock their pay since I did their work."

"Since I am on the Prison Advisory Board and am a widely known critic of this system, I have a direct line to the prison commissioner and I will call him first thing Tuesday morning and when I am done someone's ass is going to be in a sling."

My mother was so overwhelmed at this point that she began to cry. I hate to see my mother cry.

I loaded her up in the car and we drove to friendlier territory where panties were not required.

We waited for an hour while mulling over all of the possible reasons why panties were such a big deal as long as one was wearing pants.

My mother pointed out that it couldn't be to prevent rape as the extra nano-second it would take some crazed rapist to rip off a thin piece of cotton would in no way benefit you or the guards.

Then she added;
"I should have told that guard to let me see her panties."

Then my dear, sweet, Christian, republican mother quipped up with this keeper;

"Oh Lord Loretta...they are going to think we are some sort of weird non-panty wearing lesbian cult."
(note to readers: neither my mother nor myself are anti-gay in any way. )

Hearing my soft-spoken, polite, mother say such a thing with such grim seriousness sent me into gales of laughter complete with snorts, tears and a stitch in my side.

When I regained control of myself we drove back to the prison to pick up my other brother.

On our way home he told us that no one checked to see if he had on underwear. His exact words were
"Hmm...well no one checked my drawers."

He said Randy cried when we were not allowed in. He also told me that one of the female guards called me by name indicating that she knew who I was. She never looked at my ID so I can only surmise that she knew who I was before the whole panty spectacle.

As I sit here a few hours later writing this my phone rings and it is my mother.

Apparently my brother called and told her what happened after we left. One of the guards said I cursed the female guards and was smart with him when I requested my license and that he was considering banning me from the prison.

Hell, that sounds alright to me.
If I'd known that a little rebellion was all it took to keep me out I would have shown up drawerless a long time before now.
Perhaps I could ask him to implement that ban statewide.

He also supposedly implied that if I say anything about what happened in the public realm, that being the Morning Show which I made arrangements to do before I left prison grounds, and this article which I am about to publish online for all the world to see that my brothers remaining time there will be very hard.

Apparently, even a little challenge to the suppossed authority of these power drunken fools is enough to expose them for the criminals that they really are underneath that uniform.
Threatening a captive who has no means of fighting back.
Seems to me that the people running a jail are the ones who need to be in it.


So, this will serve as my warning shot across the bow of the Alabama Department of Corruptions and in particular to the guards at Elmore Correctional Facility:

If you so much as harm one hair on my brother's head or make his hellish existence in your concentration camp any worse, you will be the sorriest bastards on earth because you will find yourself among those you have held captive for so long.

Won't that be fun?


So, dear readers and supporters, I hope that you will not think less of me now that you know about my aversion to drawers.
My attire is a personal choice that I never would have shared had it not suddenly become an issue for the Alabama State Prison Guards.
I'd also like to note that I would have been more than happy to follow their rules and don a pair of panties if the rules had been made accessible to me beforehand.

I also hope that you won't think less of me for my refusal to drive an additional 25 miles to get some in order to comply with a rule that I do not believe exists. I won't be treated like an inmate until I am one and until that time,

"I REFUSE TO GIVE THE STATE POWER OVER MY PANTIES!!!"

CONTRIBUTE

Yours in Liberty,
Loretta Nall
September 4, 2005

My friend Libby over at LastOneSpeaks has been chewing up the Alabama Department of Corruptions since she got wind of the panty snafu.

Today she posted the correspondence between herself and Brian Corbett who is the ALDOC spokesman and it follows.


Thursday, September 15, 2005

Fighting the prison system - Undie update

For those readers who are following this story, I've been corresponding regularly with Mr. Corbett of the Alabama Corrections Dept. Our correspondence is somewhat long but I'm going to post it all as an object lesson in bureaucracy. So we left off here. Corbett replied.

Ms. Spencer,

I am not sure which facility in Elmore that you are referring to, in that, ADOC operates five facilities in that county. Please Keep in mind, visitation at any prison is a privilege for both the visitor and the inmate, it is not a right.

Any Administrative Regulation or facility SOP (Standard Operating Procedure) that requires a visitor to wear underwear is necessitated for very common sense reasoning. Dress code for ADOC employees also mandates the wearing of underwear. Rules are prominently posted on signage at the facility entrance. Inmates are advised of visitation rules at orientation and expected to relay such information to their visitors. The visitor is oriented upon arrival at the facility.

I'd say based on the tone of your email that you have already committed the cardinal sin of journalism., "In order to understand this uncivil, inhumane and I believe possibly illegal conduct on the part of your officers." you have seemingly drawn conclusions, biased yourself by taking sides and created an agenda based story idea for yourself. Per ADOC regulations bloggers are not considered valid media outlets.

Despite this however, please refer to the following attachment. This regulation is dated and under review. However, it should provide a basis for visitation rules.

Regards, Brian Corbett

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The attachment is long, so I'm not posting it. Email me at cnall1@charter.net if you would like a copy, otherwise I referenced the pertinent parts in this reply.

Dear Mr. Corbett:

Thank you for your prompt response to my enquiry, although I'm afraid it doesn't address the specific questions I asked and I must take issue with your response.

To begin with, while we can agree that visitation is a priviledge extended to the inmate; the vistitors, by your own screening methods, are not criminals and as tax-paying citizens whose contributions fund the operation of your facilities, certainly have a right to visit their family members, unless and until some rule has been breached. Even your own guidebook makes only that distinction. "Visitation and most free world correspondence are privileges extended to inmates."

In the instant matter, the only persons breaching the rules, were your own officers. Again, I refer you to your own guidebook.

"For males: A Pat search is conducted – checking collars, sleeves, waist. Go down back with hand, Pat down pants legs, hems and check bandages. Shoes and socks are pulled off by visitors to be checked. Belts and all jewelry are checked."

"For females: Females are asked to pull out the bottom of their bra and shake it. If wigs are worn, they are asked to pull it off and it is checked. A Pat search is conducted – checking collars, sleeves, and waist. Go down back with hand. Pat down pants legs, hems, check bandages. Shoes and socks are pulled off by visitors to be checked. Belts and all jewelry are checked."

Nothing in this material defines specific attire that is forbidden and the procedure does not include checking panties. Indeed, since the main thrust behind the rules seems to be to prevent the importing of contraband, it would seem to me that common sense would dictate the lack of same is one less place for it to be secreted.

Your employee dress code is immaterial. They're also required to wear uniforms. So I repeat my request for an explanation as to why a visitor would be "required" to wear undergarments. I also see nothing in the rules that prohibits the wearing of shorts, yet I know of at least one case where a person was prohibited from entering the visitor's room for this reason.

I am told that no rules regarding such a dress code for visitors are visibly or prominently posted in any facility, nor have they been made available to the families in any other manner. Furthermore, no visitor recalls having been invited to an orientation.

It hardly seems sufficient to say you disseminated that information to an incoming inmate while he was being processed. One would expect that to be a rather traumatic moment in anyone's life and perhaps they may have all forgotten having received this rule. However, it does stretch credibility to believe that not one single inmate remembered to impart that information to visitors they earnestly want to see. So I repeat my request for some definitive proof that this "dress code" has been disseminated in a manner that would it make it reasonably available to those families.

I must tell you that I have received complaints from many people who were similarly mistreated at various facilities under the Commissioner's control but I am reluctant to be more specific because the guards have threatened repercussions to the inmates if any specific complaints are made.

I do however, have one family courageous enough to do so and is willing to file a formal complaint upon assurance that retribution will not be taken against their loved one.

I'm sure we can agree that if reducing recidivism and rehabilitating inmates in order to return them to productive society is still the goal of our corrections system, then facilitating family support should be a primary concern.

Thank you in advance for your continued attention to this matter.

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Mr Corbett promptly answered,

Ms. Spencer,

I am afraid we must agree to disagree. In that, visitation is a privilege for the inmate it does not guarantee any visitor a specific "right". More so, that proposed visitor must understand that his or her visitation privileges are just that, a privilege. Therefore, they must obey ADOC rules during visitation, whether or not they agree with them. If they simply do not agree with ADOC rules of visitation, then of course they are free to leave without visiting. Family members to not have a right to visit, it is a privilege for both the inmate and the family member. Visitation may be suspended or canceled at anytime by ADOC. That being said, we do encourage visitation.

As sated in my previous response, the wearing of appropriate undergarments, including panties and bras is an ADOC standard operating procedure requirement. you may agree or disagree, like or dislike this requirement, however, it is an ADOC requirement for the privilege of visitation. Inmates are also required to wear appropriate undergarments and uniforms, just as our officers and support staff are. Why should such by immaterial? Its a very valid point. Why should inmate and staff have a requirement regarding appropriate dress but visitors should not? Yes, shorts are prohibited too.

My I ask were you the visitor in question? If not, how do you know the only persons breaching the rules were ADOC officers? Are you simply taking for fact the word of a visitor? Again, I must state that by the tone of your email you are breaching journalistic ethics by drawing inaccurate conclusions, which lead to bias and agenda driven story telling or "blogging". Blogging is certainly not an accepted journalist standard and is not recognized as valid media by ADOC.

What you have been told regarding the posting of visitation rules is inaccurate and/or false.

One of your readers sent a box of undergarments to the facility so that those who attempt to visit, yet are dressed inappropriately, might have something appropriate to wear and be allowed to visit. We certainly appreciate the donation. ;-)

Brian Corbett

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Needless to say this irritated me and I sent this.

I am assuming your sniping at my journalist credentials indicates you are unwilling to furnish me with the information requested. While I am not a card carrying member of the main stream press, I do have a legal background and would expect a more responsive answer even as an ordinary tax-paying citizen.

Merely asserting that you have made adequate efforts to facilitate visits without proof of same does not meet the standard for accountability of a publicly funded office.

While it's true I have not personally endured the reported behavior of your officers, I do have sworn affidavits from those who have, and plaintiffs willing to forward in this matter. One suspects a suit in which your agency is a named party may draw the attention of journalists whose credentials you may respect more.

This is a serious matter. I, or our legal representative, will be back in touch after I have consulted with counsel on our available legal remedies to address your refusal to furnish the requested documentation.

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And finally Mr Corbett replies,

Ms. Spencer,

I do not mean to snipe. However, I do take exception with your bias as a so called "journalist" since your first email mentioned the Detroit Free Press. I spent 17 years in the journalism field before coming to ADOC. I take bias, slander and other journalist ethics violations very seriously. I do enjoy the debate though. Still, ADOC will not continue to provide fuel for an opinion based "blog".

If you and or the visitors who are making these allegations are willing to file a lawsuit in this matter that is your right. However, visitation is not a right as stated. On those grounds alone I think you'd be wasting your time and money but that is up to you.

Because visitation is a privilege ADOC governs the rules thereof. One of the rules requires that visitors will be required to meet the following conditions: "Female visitors will not be permitted to enter the institution wearing shorts, halters and brief dresses. They will wear appropriate undergarments, including bras". This rule is in place for very common sense reasons, we do operate a prison system after all.

It is the visitors responsibility to make sure they are aware of all the rules and regulations regarding visitation before they attempt to enter. I agree this is a serious manner, therefore, your clients should obey the rules and wear underwear when trying to enter an ADOC prison facility as required.

Legal counsel should not be back in touch with me. Instead they should contact ADOC legal directly.

Respectfully,

Brian Corbett

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You'll notice Mr. Judge of journalistic standards got the name of my newspaper wrong and is suddenly signing respectfully. And that's where it stands. I haven't answered and what happens next is up to Loretta as the injured party. I'd like to pursue it though, not just for her, but for all the family members who are mistreated by the system.

24 Comments:

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    Darn good story. The litle rules like that were the main reason I started to question the government and powers that be.

    By Blogger Gunner, at 6:36 PM  

  • Power corupts, absolute power...hell you know the rest of it. Sorry you got a taste of it.

    By Blogger walldodger1969, at 4:08 AM  

  • I have to applaud anyone who proclaims to the world:

    "I REFUSE TO GIVE THE STATE POWER OVER MY PANTIES!!!"

    By Blogger GUYK, at 11:33 AM  

  • hi loretta,
    just read the story ,my wife cried .i am proud of your spirit and after reading your profile i understand where it comes from,,,you cant dominate a leo tiger,,period.
    i pray for enlightenment to humanity.i want to see it in my lifetime, for my kids but i continually find things about some humans that discust me,CNN with New Orleens coverage.america is so tied to racism because of its roots.at least here in canada there are more like you and i.
    keep up the fight

    By Blogger shavluk, at 12:18 PM  

  • Oh, HELL yes. Keep firing those shots across their bow. I'm going to post a link to this on my blog, if you don't mind.

    RC

    By Blogger Rowan Crisp, at 6:32 PM  

  • OH MY...so what you're telling me is that when I saw you in San Francisco and you were wearing that long skirt, all I had to do was drop my pen on the floor, go down to pick it up, stumble, fall onto my back and scrabble around like a turtle and I just MIGHT have seen......

    OH MY.

    Once again teaching me that life is all about TIMING.
    ======
    So go get em. Keep us in the loop.
    Let me know if I can assist with inquisitive letters.

    I gotta meet your Mom. She sounds like a gem.

    Steve in Clearwater

    By Blogger SteveHeath, at 6:10 PM  

  • I was turned away from visiting for not wearing a bra! another time it was the wrong shoes. I was off the visiting list for 6 weeks for asking why I had to take off my sweater! It had thousands of buttons, but I complied, yet I had made trouble! Keep up your good work. "In times of universal deceit telling the truth is a revolutionary act!" THANK YOU.

    By Blogger Guera, at 10:18 PM  

  • The state proved it has power over your panties. You can bitch about it for the rest of your life but nothing is going to change. Political power is proportional to firepower and firepower can be bought, for a price. Lacking wealth to pay the price you’re better off re-ordering your belief system. Start with this: My belief in natural rights is a religious delusion.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:50 PM  

  • Here is a kooky idea. Stay out of prison, that way when you lose the rights of law abiding citizens, your poor family members won't have to put themselves in a position where such a personal matter of underwear has a bearing on their life.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:04 AM  

  • Well, obviously Anonymous is such an ass and a coward that Anonymous doesn't want to take credit for their comments.
    What they're actually saying is, "Don't let anyone believe in themselves or their feelings. Encourage them to cater their lives to the whims of the powerful, and then emotionally criticize those who are brave enough to do the things you are afraid to do yourself." I assess that Anonymous is a self-centered, emotionless rapist of the human heart.

    Loretta, I just started today reading about you and your campaign and struggles with the ADOC, and you are the most genuine and compassionate political candidate I have EVER heard of in the US. Thank god people like you exist, and I feel inspired to follow my beliefs as well. Thank you.

    By Anonymous Adam Cederlind, at 9:01 AM  

  • Corbett is lying.
    Visitation is a RIGHT that can be denied or restricted only for due cause. The inmate or the visitor can be denied their RIGHT to visitation only by due process of law.
    The RIGHT to visitation is a constitutionally secured right: freedom of association.
    A convict is not divested of all his rights. (S)he is divested only of the specific right that is defined by law as his punishment for crime duly convicted by due process of law. Other rights may be curtailed only to the degree necessitated by the situation of confinement.

    Petty bureaucrats get away with this crap for 2 reasons (plus a few others I will not list here):
    1) Most people will not stand up to them, as experience has taught most that groveling a little will usually get the bureaucrat, who has been assured of his monumental importance and power, to give in at least partways. Unfortunately, this giving in to the bureaucrat demonstrates that the groveler will not stand up for his rights, which action often results in a false arrest, a beating or other abuse. Anyone who claims rights in Amerikkka must be comfortable with being jailed at the least. (I'm not down on Amerikkka in particular; most if not all other governments are similar, differing only in degree and details.)
    2) They are not held personally responsible for their torts and crimes. They get free legal counsel at the expense of the people, and even if convicted or they lose the lawsuit, their fellow bureaucrats will embezzle from the public funds to pay off their fines and judgments. Few citizens, upon winning a judgment, will quibble over where the funds come from.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:04 PM  

  • Whether you wear underwear ("panties" and "bras") is none of their business. Their personal clothing preferences are not law.
    Panties are a relatively new article of clothing. Only a hundred fifty years ago for a woman to wear drawers was thought somewhat lewd. Earlier (bras had not been introduced to Western society; corsets were popular - even earlier corsets did not support the breasts, which hung loose and free over the top edge of the corset, which was intended to shape the midriff, not the breasts) women's breasts were restrained by tunics, shifts or chemises. Bobbie
    I don't have a website and don't want to register: my email is <**bobwhite23583@hotmail.com**>

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:10 PM  

  • Wow, great story

    By Blogger Jersey Girl, at 9:19 PM  

  • Mind boggling.

    By Blogger Colleen, at 9:32 PM  

  • Hey Loretta, I'm here via the postie carnival. Great story!

    The positive note that you are banned from prison is great :)

    Did Mr. Corbett REALLY put that 'wink' in his email??? The pervert...

    By Blogger Heather in Beautiful British Columbia, at 10:01 PM  

  • You have to pick your battles. If this is one you want to fight, then you go, girl.

    Here from the Postie Carnival. Have a great day.

    By Blogger CyberCelt, at 12:09 AM  

  • It is too bad that there are bad apples that spoil the whole bunch. I think the only response from Mr. Corbett should have been (if the rule does actually exist) - it is a rule, we are sorry you didn't know about it and we will now post it everywhere.

    It wasn't until his last letter that he actually quotes "the rule."

    By Anonymous Cecile, at 11:56 AM  

  • I cannot believe that our tax dollars pay for this kind of treatment.

    Did you get any sort of resolution to this?

    By Blogger Lisa, at 9:53 PM  

  • I've been around long enough that I shouldn't be amazed and astounded. I am. Good luck with your continuing battle. You'll need it. It's obvious that logic and fairplay do not enter in.

    By Blogger skeet, at 11:49 PM  

  • corruption is one of the biggest killers.

    Great writing!

    By Anonymous Somu, at 2:09 AM  

  • wow what a story

    I came in via the carnival

    By Blogger Suni, at 10:40 AM  

  • Wow I read it all, interesting. It shouldn't do any harm to wear undies for an hour. Because of a technicality your brother isn't getting visits. Isn't he the one were thinking of here? There are some very strict rules for convicts as visitation can be a sensitive subject for them and they can be really grateful you made the effort as a visitor to visit them.

    a friend

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:27 PM  

  • What a bunch of pathetic wormy people!

    By Blogger Bob, at 10:11 AM  

  • as a former inmate of the a.d.oc. (from 1980-1989), i witnessed numerous visitor malfeasance. yours is only a drop in the bucket when dealing with the dept. of corruptions. i have witnessed beatings that nearly killed inmates--by the hands of those that are paid to oversee them--for very minor offenses.
    your cause is a VERY uphill battle, because the D.O.C has very deep pockets where the legal aspect lies, but your actions do remind them that there are people out there who choose not to put up with thier powerhungry B.S.
    i appreciate the fact that you bring thier actions to light. it may help to make them accountable for thier actions. as tax payers we the people shouldnt have to put up with this kind of treatment!!!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:44 PM  

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